Proclaimed the "troll king of obnoxious hate speech" by a real expurt
Remember, we're supposed to be abandoning Bear411 for the much more tolerant Bruisr, where nobody is censored? Well, it seems the people who run it are becoming Greg BuddyBear 2.0 by trolling a "closed" Facebook page called BearTalk WOOF. Closed pages are those where you should be able to post whatever you want, because everyone in it agrees to be subjected to that material. But I'd woken up to find one of my photos had been taken down and that Facebook, because of that, suspended me from uploading photos for seven days.
And apparently, it's because someone who joined the group is reporting us.
You know what we need? We need some self-righteous person
to come in here and tell us how to act! Don't worry, he's coming...
So I posted, and I think it's becoming clearer what happened... when I'm attacked by none other than Bruisr in a pathetic self-promotion:
So guess who makes this a public argument over on Bruizr:
My conclusion:
Only after all this did I make this conclusion too. If he's so offended that I said that to a troll... which we were ALL speculating about... then maybe he's the troll, right?
End result, it almost ended with an apology. I took it because I seriously didn't want this. See what good it did though?
There was even worse attacks on his website as well. Somehow rather than this being about his initial attack on me and his sudden asshole-tantrum, it's all about terms of service... we were all on there talking about this troll. If you're reporting people in a closed group (which is the only time FB does anything) then you're an asshole. But no, everyone's making it about whining about TOS:
And that little character assassination led to this:
A true dickhead disciple apparently. Just like Scott, I asked him the one question that I was originally attacked for asking... where is the hate speech? And... no answer. Go fucking figure. And go fuck yourself, Michael. Oh and Dru, what was that you said about blaming the cop? This was posted later, on the night of July 5th:
ROFLMAO... reeeeeally Scott? What about the TOS of the road? That cop is such a douche for you disobeying a rule, huh? Karma, bitch. What, are you expecting the cop to make exceptions for you? Actually you are! So now tell me how you storm into a group on a site that's not yours and getting onto us for wanting clarity in rules, and for a troll, if there was one, to not join a group and then reporting the material in it? You see, I believe in breaks too. But you launched into us and threatened me if I even resembled hate speech (which you clearly cannot identify) because of your TOS on a site that has no censorship. You. Absolute. Loser. Oh the schadenfreude I tell ya... resist? Fuck no:
The first comment added to his post, and the second one added to mine where Dru said that.
Damn you Swype, I meant "cop" not "chop". But you gotta love that whole "I know I'm at fault" addition just to make sure nobody calls him the hypocrite that he is. And we've been having fun on FB as well:
What pissed me off also is people telling me to calm down when all I was doing was defending myself and asking why he was accusing me of hate speech, and being attacked for it. What hate speech? Why isn't anybody telling him to calm down?
The lowest blow of all is what he's telling people. He's telling them that I was given a free account. What he's not telling people is that when Bruizr was first opened, I was telling everyone about it, had several people signed on to it, and was waiting for my check to come so I could get on, and offering to pay full price once it came. I was not asking a free ride. I was thankful, but not to the point where I'm going to let him accuse me like that. Oh and by the way, isn't that comment making fun of the poor? In case you didn't realize it, Scott, that's hate speech.
And when he was crying about not enough people signing up because nobody wanted to pay for a site, I told him I would not blame him at all if he chose to go with ads on his site. Wow did he ever take that the wrong way. Our latest exchange before all this happened was he was talking about trying to get some A list bears to help be the front of his site, and I said he should go a different route and not do what every other site does... A list bears. I mean come on, we all know when you join any network it doesn't mean you're going to get in the pants of A list bears. And I thought he was supposed to be against that mentality anyway about people deleted for not being bear enough. He just batted that down too.
We both provoked each other, yes. And yes, he did start it, but that's not the be all end all here... he not only started it, he's the one who fired all the goddamned venom here. People can't see this? He finally apologized for the initial attack, yes. I accepted it. Isn't that where it should've ended? That is, if it was at all sincere? Which clearly it was not.
In the end, what was the hate speech? I still have no answer. If "fuck you with something hard and twisted and whatever" is hate speech, then you're probably going to want to call Liam Sullivan and have it out with him too. Or you can keep your premenstrual accusations to yourself and not patrol a website that isn't yours.
Scott, that's the reason we left Greg. We'll leave you too. Control your tantrums or lose everything. But I don't need you. However, I have send a letter to him... this is it:
I'm giving you one more chance. Now that I'm not as full of rage, very justified rage but rage nonetheless, one last chance to try to reason with you. Having calmed down, I think I can see that you have no idea what you did that angered me. I mean you apologized for name-calling, but you can call me names all day long. I'm thick-skinned and would just laugh at you. That's not what you did.
Dude, I believed in your site until all this. When you promote yourself, you know damned well you are representing the business you care about so much. You stormed in with the douchiest imaginable method of doing so, complete with accusations, the snottiest comment, and just overall lack of tact. I see how well you handle accusations since I threw one right back at you. Which I did because you did it. Don't call that a tactic, you did start it. You accused me of hate speech, and when asked where the hate speech was, you failed to answer. You just kept hurling insults.
You don't accuse somebody just because you're in a bad mood. Not if you want to be respected as a person who runs a website of that nature. On a snippy little whim you were so ridiclous that you failed to see how you contradicted yourself. Come on over guys, I won't censor. Although I will, actually, whenever I deem something as hate speech. Like what this guy's doing. Okay, how is what I said hate speech? ...says the troll spouting hate speech. Really Scott?
So I accused you. Just to see how you'd handle it? No, I was in a rage. But you don't handle it well. You shared it on your site. Only the accusation, of course. And how dare I share the entire conversation, right? So that everyone will enter the argument thinking only that I fling accusations like a madman when in fact it was all started by you doing precisely that.
I believed in your site. I still do, but I don't believe in you. We all left 411 because of that guy's insanity, accusations, name-calling, banning on a whim, and as you promise not to do... censorship. Now I can't trust you to not censor somebody on a careless misconstrument. You've done it before, censoring someone on an emotional whimsy, which I offered proof... although you still fail to explain to me not only why you accused me of hate speech but what it was to you since it wasn't your site.
In fact, in case you don't understand how it comes off, you're snippy because we're on another site instead of yours, as though we are somehow doing yours harm by being on there. And because we're not promoting you enough for you or something. Of course on your site you've managed to get people talking as though this is about terms of service, which isn't the issue, nor were they your terms of service.
But you apologized. I was away from my computer visiting my friend's mother and helping her with stuff because she's got a broken arm. I saw your apology on my phone. I'd have responded longer but it's a phone... I didn't have time to do anything before you responded to me with that post-apology blast. I was so glad to see that you'd done so that I didn't even see you weren't acknowledging what you actually did that angered me. But it wasn't enough. You took a compliment as an oppotunity to rip into me again, only for things you started, and clearly had no sincerity in your apology. It was a ploy to look like a bigger man or something. I don't know, but then I tried to log in and... I don't know why... Chrome's acting screwy and wouldn't let me log in, so I thought you'd kicked me out. Really rips on me how your manipulation of this dragged me through the mud. You want people to stop talking about it, and you won't delete shit because you don't want to be accused (rightly) of censorship, like that was absurd of me to even suggest.
You were entirely in the wrong here. If you want to apologize, give me a real one. Apologize for your accusation, for your absolute emotional explosion, and for reacting to an accusation like some kind of self-righteous person flabbergasted anybody would do such a thing when in fact you just had. And don't lace it with demands that I remove the whole argument when you posted only that one part. That's what you need to be doing.
You run things like this, you'll have people calling you on your shit, and rightly so, just like what happened in the link I posted. I'm going to ask again, and I don't want insults flung at me for it. Just an answer. Where's the hate speech? Other than in the venom you spouted, and then accused of me when all I did was post what you spouted. How about you don't represent your site with that kind of attitude and then wonder why people reply like they do?
I tried sending this to your email, but since I opened Firefox and discovered, weirdly enough, that it opened up formerly crashed tabs... one was this, and boom, I'm logged in... I figured I'd try this too.
Come on... show me I didn't believe in you for nothing.
And I hope he does. But I'm not holding my goddamned breath. He won't answer. All I wanted was the answer to one question, and that's too much to ask. That would take balls. Nor will he give a proper apology because that would take principles, which he most certainly does not have. I have black and white proof.
That's okay. I'm getting justice now. I have one soul who informed me how Scott insulted the shit out of his religion when he joined up, so so much for that whole conviction against hate speech. And after all the time I used to play on Bear411 trying to recruit people to Bruizr, now I'm recruiting people from Bruizr to Google+, which will work on phone, works better, shares, better, and isn't run by a psychopathic blithering idiot. And we can share naughties.
So in no time I'm sure he'll be finding himself pretty lonely. Like all hypocrites should.
